A Platform For Discovery AND Impact: A Conversation with John Swartley

What does it take to move ideas out of the laboratory and into the world, at meaningful scale, with purpose, and without losing the soul of academic discovery?

In this episode of The Commons, host Thomas Osha sits down with John Swarthy, Chief Innovation Officer of the University of Pennsylvania, to explore how Penn has spent the last two decades intentionally reshaping its approach to innovation, commercialization, and partnership.

Penn is widely recognized for breakthrough discoveries—from CAR-T cell therapy to the mRNA platform that enabled COVID-19 vaccines—but those successes did not happen overnight. As John explains, they are the result of sustained leadership, cultural change, and a deliberate shift away from a purely transactional model of “tech transfer” toward a deeply integrated, relationship-driven innovation enterprise.

The conversation explores why basic research remains essential even in an era of tightening federal funding and growing industry pressure for near-term results, and why translational research alone is never enough to deliver truly game-changing breakthroughs. John and Tom discuss how universities must balance curiosity-driven discovery with commercialization pathways, and why partnerships with industry, startups, and regional institutions are now central to that mission.

Listeners will also hear how Penn has leveraged reinvestment of licensing revenues under the Bayh-Dole framework to strengthen the entire research enterprise, support interdisciplinary institutes, and help catalyze an innovation district in West Philadelphia where academia, healthcare, startups, and global industry converge.

From mRNA platforms and interdisciplinary engineering-medicine collaborations to the role of talent, capital, and place, this episode offers a candid look at how one leading research university is navigating the future of innovation and what that future may demand from institutions everywhere.

If you’re interested in the evolving role of universities, the economics of innovation, or how ecosystems turn discovery into impact, this conversation offers rare insight from someone who has helped build the system from the inside.